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title: 'Carine Williams of the Innocence Project Discusses Death Penalty, Innocence, and ‘the Function of Freedom’'
description: 'Rereleased for September 2024: In the March 2021 edition of Discussions with DPIC, Death Penalty Information Center Senior Director of Research and…'
canonical: 'https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/resources/podcasts/discussions-with-dpic/carine-williams-of-the-innocence-project-discusses-death-penalty-innocence-and-the-function-of-freedom-2'
section: podcasts
date: '2024-09-30T14:02:00-04:00'
updated: '2025-07-17T16:33:59-04:00'
source: 'Death Penalty Information Center'
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Rereleased for September 2024: In the March 2021 edition of Discussions with DPIC, Death Penalty Information Center Senior Director of Research and Special Projects Ngozi Ndulue is joined by Carine Williams — the Chief Program Strategy Officer at the Innocence Project — for a conversation about innocence, the death penalty, and “the function of freedom.” Reflecting on the gross miscarriage of justice exhibited in wrongful convictions and exonerations, Williams stresses two critical themes: death is irrevocable and ending the death penalty is simply not enough.