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title: 'Rethinking Public Safety, A Conversation with Executive Director of Fair and Just Prosecution, Miriam Krinsky'
description: 'In the third episode of the Discussions with DPIC podcast’s Rethinking Public Safety series, Miriam Krinsky speaks with DPIC Senior Director of Research…'
canonical: 'https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/resources/podcasts/discussions-with-dpic/rethinking-public-safety-a-conversation-with-executive-director-of-fair-and-just-prosecution-miriam-krinsky'
section: podcasts
date: '2021-08-26T11:00:00-04:00'
updated: '2025-12-17T12:24:24-05:00'
source: 'Death Penalty Information Center'
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In the third episode of the ***Discussions with DPIC*** podcast’s *Rethinking Public Safety* series, **Miriam Krinsky** speaks with DPIC Senior Director of Research and Special Projects Ngozi Ndulue about her experiences as a former federal prosecutor and the Executive Director of Fair and Just Prosecution (FJP), a network of elected prosecutors devoted to promoting fairness, equity, compassion, and fiscal responsibility in the criminal legal system.

Krinsky and Ndulue explore a range of issues during the podcast, including the injustice of the death penalty, the power of prosecutors to create change, the evolving relationship between prosecutors and law enforcement, the importance of transparency and public accountability, and myths about public safety. “In my mind,” Krinsky says, “eliminating capital punishment improves public safety.”