In the lat­est episode of the Discussions with DPIC pod­cast, Emmy- and Oscar-win­ner Edward Zwick speaks about his new movie, Trial By Fire. The film, which Zwick co-pro­duced and direct­ed, tells the sto­ry of Cameron Todd Willingham, who was con­vict­ed and sen­tenced to death in 1992 for the deaths of his three chil­dren in a house fire that pros­e­cu­tors wrong­ly claimed had been inten­tion­al­ly set. As Willingham’s exe­cu­tion approached in 2004, evi­dence came to light that arson inves­ti­ga­tors had relied on flawed and out­dat­ed meth­ods. The tri­al pros­e­cu­tor also with­held evi­dence that a jail­house infor­mant who claimed that Willingham had con­fessed to him had been pro­vid­ed favor­able treat­ment in exchange for implicating Willingham.

Willingham’s case fea­tured what Zwick called a cat­a­log” of prob­lems: it had the with­hold­ing of excul­pa­to­ry evi­dence, it had junk sci­ence, it had jail­house snitch­es who would tes­ti­fy in exchange for reduced sen­tences, [and] it had a piss-poor pub­lic defend­er.” In an inter­view with DPIC’s Managing Director, Anne Holsinger, Zwick describes why he decid­ed to tell Willingham’s sto­ry, what he learned from the expe­ri­ence, and how he hopes the film will affect audi­ences. Trial By Fire opens on May 172019.

Trial By Fire is large­ly based on an inves­tiga­tive arti­cle of the same name writ­ten by David Grann and pub­lished in The New Yorker in 2009. Zwick called Grann’s account of the case a cat­e­gor­i­cal denun­ci­a­tion of every­thing that was wrong with the pros­e­cu­tions in death-penal­ty cas­es.” The movie focus­es on the rela­tion­ship between Willingham (Jack O’Connell) and his pen­pal, Elizabeth Gilbert (Laura Dern). Gilbert worked with the film­mak­ers and offered them access to her cor­re­spon­dence with Willingham. Zwick said he chose to por­tray that rela­tion­ship because it was a beau­ti­ful jux­ta­po­si­tion to the hor­rors of the case.” He expressed grat­i­tude to Gilbert for shar­ing the let­ters, which he said showed the inter­nal work­ings and the val­ue of a man’s life, so he was more than just a sta­tis­tic.” He also said that the friend­ship between Willingham and Gilbert human­ized the sto­ry and helped the film avoid being didac­tic. People go to the movies because they want to invest in the char­ac­ters and in the rela­tion­ships. They don’t go to the movies to learn about issues, but that doesn’t say that they can’t have both.”

Zwick char­ac­ter­ized Willingham’s sto­ry as embody­ing the sys­temic prob­lems in the way the death penal­ty is car­ried out in the United States. In a sys­tem that can­not be guar­an­teed to be infal­li­ble, if a sin­gle inno­cent per­son has been put to death, that more than jus­ti­fies get­ting rid of the death penal­ty,” he said. Capital pun­ish­ment, he said, is emblem­at­ic of the inequities in the crim­i­nal jus­tice sys­tem at large: The death penal­ty sits on top of the pyra­mid of charg­ing and sen­tenc­ing and tri­als, and that if it is so flawed and revealed to be unjust and if its absur­di­ties can be so accept­ed, how then can we reform the rest of the sys­tem, before deal­ing with it?” The inter­view con­clud­ed with a dis­cus­sion of the filmmaker’s hopes for how the audi­ence will respond to the movie. I know that it’s a Pollyanna-ish notion that a sin­gle film can do any­thing that affects pol­i­cy itself. What it can do is add a set of images and a warm-blood­ed­ness and a per­son­al under­stand­ing of some­thing that an audi­ence might have only under­stood in more philo­soph­i­cal or polit­i­cal terms.” Storytelling can be part of cul­tur­al par­a­digm shifts,” he said, not­ing that pop cul­ture depic­tions of same-sex rela­tion­ships helped shape pub­lic opin­ion on same-sex mar­riage. Change hap­pens,” Zwick said, but how it hap­pens and when it hap­pens, and the rate at which it hap­pens is unpre­dictable, and all that one can do in any kind of activist cause is to keep your head down and keep doing the work that you do because you are com­mit­ted to that change.”

(Discussions with DPIC, Interview with Trial By Fire Director Edward Zwick, May 17, 2019.) See Podcasts.

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